• Celestalon aveva annunciato importanti novità per quanto riguarda i Difensori in Warlords of Draenor. Un suo nuovo e lungo post sul forum spiega le ragioni dei cambiamenti in arrivo per il ruolo di Difensore. Secondo gli sviluppatori, i difensori hanno ricevuto troppa resistenza negli ultimi anni, rendendo di fatto banale la difficoltà negli scontri più facili per una mera questione di numeri.

    Per questo motivo, il team ha deciso di ridurre globalmente l'efficienza difensiva dei Difensori, lasciandone però intaccato lo stile di gioco. In pratica ci saranno cambiamenti solo nei numeri e nell'efficacia di certe abilità, mentre il danno derivante da mostri presenti in Spedizioni e Incursioni sarà ridotto.

    Celestalon ha scritto
    Hey all. I've briefly mentioned this in tweets, but wanted to provide some more concrete info here for you. In an upcoming build, we're making some major changes to tanks.

    But don't freak out, tanks, this is for the better. It'd be very easy to see datamining of these changes and think the sky is falling; don't be deceived! If you do the classic "scroll to my class, read datamined changes to my class only", you'll be sad and angry. And I'll be sad that you're sad and angry.

    The core issue that we're aiming to solve is with the power level of tanks' defensive abilities. And I don't mean their gameplay. Their gameplay is great, especially Active Mitigation; that's not changing. I mean their total defensive effectiveness. Health, damage reduction (flat, percentage, random avoidance, etc), passive and active, cooldowns, etc.

    Tanks have gotten a lot of power creep. A tanking specialized character should be better at tanking than a non-tanking specialized character, obviously. But by how much? 3x? 5x? 10x? It's gotten to be more like 50x or even 100x. Fun fact as a point of comparison: Most of the Mythic raid bosses (first raid tier) we've been testing deal tank damage roughly equivalent to what Heroic Lei Shen (second raid tier) did, after accounting for the squish and level difference. Some even more.

    So, what are we doing about it? We're effectively doing a squish to tanks defensive effectiveness, and to dungeon and raid mob damage to tanks. This list is going to sound like a big pile of nerfs, but it's important to understand that it's not. It's happening to *all* tanks, and mob damage is coming down as well, to compensate.

    Additionally, before anyone points it out, yes, some of these changes affect the defensive effectiveness of non-tanks. We didn't forget that; this was done consciously, because we think these changes should be made anyway, or we're considering other changes to compensate them if necessary.

    Here's a summary of the actual changes (please post this around, and discuss this, not the datamining which will paint a very skewed and incomplete picture):

    • Creature damage has been retuned. In particular, the damage of creatures intended to be tanked in dungeons and raids has been drastically reduced to offset the below changes.
    • The amount of Armor on Plate, Mail, Shields has been reduced significantly.
    • Many tank abilities that increase maximum health have been reduced in effectiveness: Guarded by the Light, Stance of the Sturdy Ox, Bear Form, Empowered Bear Form, Blood Presence, Veteran of the Third War, Shadow of Death (Enhanced Death Coil), Ursa Major. In most cases, the magnitudes of these effects have been reduced.
    • Many tank abilities that passively reduce damage taken in some way have been reduced in effectiveness: Unwavering Sentinel, Improved Defensive Stance, Mastery: Critical Block, Defensive Stance, Sanctuary, Guarded by the Light, Stance of the Sturdy Ox, Bear Form, Blood Presence, Primal Fury. In most cases, the magnitudes of these effects have been reduced.
    • Many tank abilities that provide Active Mitigation have been reduced in effectiveness: Shield Block, Shield Barrier, Shield of the Righteous, Mastery: Divine Bulwark, Bastion of Glory, Guard, Stance of the Sturdy Ox, Shuffle, Savage Defense, Pulverize, Frenzied Regeneration, Tooth and Claw, Death Strike, Rune Tap. In most cases, the frequencies or magnitudes of these effects have been reduced.
    • Many tank abilities that provided long-cooldown temporary defensive buffs have been reduced in effectiveness: Shield Wall, Last Stand, Demoralizing Shout, Divine Protection, Guardian of Ancient Kings (Protection), Fortifying Brew, Barkskin, Bristling Fur, Survival Instincts, Might of Ursoc, Bone Shield, Dancing Rune Weapon, Icebound Fortitude, Vampiric Blood. In most cases, the durations of these effects have been reduced.
    • Resolve has been changed to no longer scale with Stamina, only incoming damage over the last 10 sec, and its scaling rate changed.
    • Resolve % = 100 * MAX(0, 8.5 * (1 - e^(-0.045*DamageMod)) - 1)
      DamageMod refers to the % of a basic equal-level creature attacking you that you've had directed at you over the last 10 sec.
    • This Resolve amount is much much larger than previously. To compensate for that, baseline healing and absorption from tanks is being significantly reduced. The net result will be a curve that keeps abilities such as Word of Glory, Frenzied Regeneration, or Shield Barrier scaling roughly in parallel to other %-based abilities such as Shield of the Righteous, Savage Defense, or Shield Block; weak when fighting weak enemies, and strong when fighting strong enemies.

    We understand that these changes will sound scary, but ask that you keep an open mind and try to comprehend the complete picture. Tuning may be pretty rough for a few builds as we iterate on these changes, so please be patient.

    I'll try to answer questions as I have time, but please understand that we're all extremely busy trying to finish and polish things over here, so time is limited.

    Thanks, everyone!
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  • Antani101 10 settembre 2014, 16:01 Antani101
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    Iscritto il: 17 luglio 2014, 12:03
    #100
    Tieni conto comunque che a parità di gear, a parte un'esigua minoranza di boss con meccaniche strane) se un dps fa meno danni di un tank c'è un problema di skill per quanto riguarda il giocatore dps. 0
  • Nala 10 settembre 2014, 16:18 Nala
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    Iscritto il: 08 novembre 2013, 17:50
    #101
    Su questo non ci piove, puoi starne tranquillo :good:
    Però, come hai detto tu, a causa di meccaniche strane di alcuni boss (e se il tank è bravo a sfruttarne altre un po meno particolari) c'erano delle situazioni paradossali.
    Quindi i rimedi erano due:
    - non creiamo più boss con meccaniche strane;
    - sistemiamo i tank.
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  • Dracaryis 10 settembre 2014, 17:10 Dracaryis
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    Iscritto il: 16 luglio 2014, 18:45
    #102
    Tutte le posture da difensore e gli effetti simili ora aumentano la minaccia generata del 900%


    Insomma, e c'è chi dice che sia difficile reggere aggro.
    Fai 10k di danno, reggi un dps che ne fa 89.999.
    Basta l'auto-attack tra un po'.
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  • Antani101 10 settembre 2014, 17:15 Antani101
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    Iscritto il: 17 luglio 2014, 12:03
    #103
    Dracaryis ha scritto:Basta l'auto-attack tra un po'.


    Senza tra un po'. Basta l'auto attack.
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  • Dracaryis 10 settembre 2014, 17:24 Dracaryis
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    Iscritto il: 16 luglio 2014, 18:45
    #104
    Bha. Adoro l'active mitigation, ma non mi piace che si sia arrivati a far completamente sparire le statistiche storiche.
    Adesso tutti i tank hanno gear da dps, il che mi fa schifo.
    Non ci voleva tanto, bastava rendere le statistiche di mitigazione passiva nuovamente influenti, magari facendo aumentar l'efficacia delle skill di mitigazione attiva.
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  • Rekse 10 settembre 2014, 18:28 Rekse
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    Se qualcuno vuole aggiungermi al battle.net me lo dica perché rifiuto chi non conosco.
    #105
    Beh, tutto sommato anche questa è active mitigation. Anzi forse lo è di più perchè per mitigare il danno devi fare determinate cose durante il fight piuttosto che schiacciare l'abilità di turno. Un mix delle due cose secondo me è l'ideale, mi diverte anche capire - quando é il momento di fare cosa - giostrandomi tra abilità e trinket vari.

    Edit: ops, scusa avevo frainteso il tuo discorso.
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